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    Quote Originally Posted by Corilliant View Post
    Sorry, I meant civilisation.
    Depending if you delve into fantasy or not, you can evoke the power of author's license and make civilisation as old as you like...what period of history are they in? How advanced is the world?
    Decide the metal composition of the world, so as to mark the places that would have gained abilities with bronze and iron first, and from there, depending on how old the world is and how much one country could affect another, decide how old human civilisation is...if it's old enough, you could end up with some very interesting political structures. Remember the younger the world is, the less it has been explored...
    It's a fantasy world but we are staying close to the real laws of physics. How old is the planet and how old is the stars around is tied to the laws of physics right now, unless someone states otherwise for some reason. This means that the estimates of Chick and Deadshade are possibly what we will follow on that particular topic. Of course, the creation of the world might be helped by the Gods, but I'm not too found of that as a serious explanation. The civs on the planets probably believe the Gods made the world but the real explanation does not need to be religious.

    The era is late middle ages and for more details: http://www.cartographersguild.com/co...tml#post240381
    although I'm not sure if this post is up to date...

    That is about the highest level of technology for the most advanced countries. Some might be a little ahead but most are lagging behind.

    We still do not have any countries, not officially. And I don't know where civilization developed first or how they would spread.

    Good question: How old is the oldest civilization?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azelor View Post
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    The era is late middle ages and for more details: http://www.cartographersguild.com/co...tml#post240381
    although I'm not sure if this post is up to date...

    That is about the highest level of technology for the most advanced countries. Some might be a little ahead but most are lagging behind.

    We still do not have any countries, not officially. And I don't know where civilization developed first or how they would spread.

    Good question: How old is the oldest civilization?
    You surely don't need God(s) for the creation of the world. You may need one for the creation of the Universe because physics doesn't offer something definitive and "quantum fluctuation of the void" is just a sophisticated concept to say "God did that" or "Randomness did that" what is in practice the same thing

    But I like this kind of questions because they show that even a totally fantastic world has finally many hidden constraints that it must respect if it wants to stay logically consistent.
    Unfortunately for civilisations our sample consists sofar of 1 sample what is not statistically significant.
    Assuming that the evolution of life on earth is representative of most (not all !) life generating processes in the Universe then we can say :
    - once liquid water existed, apparition of primitive life came really fast
    - the life spent by far the largest part of its evolution in a primitive (archaea-eucaryote) form

    So that gives approximately the following calendar in billions of years (I took some outrageous simpifying hypothesis in points where no unique answer is known) :
    - birth of the Sun and the planetary system at 0
    - creation of liquid oceans and plate tectonics at 0.5
    - first archaea and photosynthesis at 1
    - first multicellular at 2.5
    - first land plants and bilateria at 4
    - first intelligent species ancestors at 4.444
    - first intelligent species at 4.4498
    - first civilisation at 4.449994
    - middle age (where your world is now) at 4.449999

    So what you see is the hallucinating exponentialo-exponential acceleration towards the end. The Nature (or magics) needed 4 billions of years to go from nothing to worms, 200 millions to go from mouses to semi intelligent apes and 200 thousands to go from humanoids to civilisation.
    So considering this to be a kind of standard, your oldest civilisation can't be older than a few thousands years and the planet not much older or younger than 4-5 billions of years (what implies a small sun).

    An interesting case would be a total wipe out (e.g 100%) of all higher level species, civilisations included. In this case the nature would "spare" the first 4 billions years of evolution and would produce new intelligent species and civilisations in "only" 500 millions years or less.
    If some small group of the inteligent species survived the total wipe out then their civilisation would be 500 millions years old. However in this case it is higly improbable that their civilisation would stay "stuck" in the middle ages.

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