List of Mapping Software

[markem]

Wow. Really way too short of a wait time before timing out. :-)

johnvanvliet: I am sorry you seem to hate XP - but both will run on XP also.

Mark Oliva: Yeah - that is what I wound up doing. I notice there isn't an Edit feature for something you've already posted. I noticed a few typos after I posted and had wanted to correct them. Am I missing something?

MS DOS - Still used at Universities because it is very stable. A friend at the Chemistry Department at the University of Houston uses it to analyze the chemical composition of molecules using a million dollar x-ray projector device. On the internet it is estimated that 0.0000001% of the almost 3 Billion people use it to get on the internet. How? I don't know.

Windows v3.1 - Still used. I have two friends that still use this OS. They get on the internet and do everything everyone else does (except things that use jQuery or Java, etc...). They love that their 1.8Ghz systems can still use the OS. Only I think they only get to use something like 512MB of memory or maybe even less than that. Estimate on the internet is 0.000001% of the people still use it. Most of these people are found in Europe where some people believe 8-bit systems are fast enough for what they need it to do. My wife's parents who live in the boonies out in Arizona only recently upgraded to Windows 7 from Windows v3.1. They kept all of their private information on it as well as the volunteer fire department's information and records.

Windows 95 & Windows 98se: I just finally got some clients to upgrade from these to Windows 8.1. This was only because their hard drives had started to go bad and I have been laid up with DVT since last Thanksgiving.

Apple ][+ thru Apple //gs - Still used. Mainly for hobbist. I have a //gs which sports such thinigs as an SD card interface card and a USB interface card and an Ethernet card. I can surf the net with it and it isn't all that slow.

Lisa Mac thru the Power Macs - I own a Power Mac and can do everything up to Netscape Navigator v4.x. Last Mac I owned before switching to PCs.

midgardsormr : That is very true. Only buy the full blown package unless you happen to own the earlier one. Even then you should just buy the full blown package. I've had updates muck everything up before. :-/

[johnvanvliet]

there is the free GPL'd OpenOffice and LibreOffice "Draw" program
great for diagrams

and it dose not require using a killed off operating system ( microsoft has been trying to kill XP for 5+ years)
and it runs an Microsoft 7,8,8.1 and soon 10
and on Apple osx
and an BSD a
and on Linux

[Azélor]

I also had problems with timeouts before. I think the solution is to check the ''remember me''.

[markem]

I'll have to try that Azelor - thanks! :-)

[johnvanvliet]

johnvanvliet: I am sorry you seem to hate XP - but both will run on XP also.

i do not HATE xp
Microsoft KILLED IT OFF!!!! after 14 YEARS ( 5 years past when Microsoft wanted to )

the same goes for Internet explorer 4,5,6 and 7
you still DO NOT use the same internet explorer that was in win98 ( IE 3 and 4 ) do you ?
and IE 6 is being ACTIVELY KILLED OFF by microsoft
ie6 was in xp sp1

[markem]

Microsoft has not killed anything. Nor has it made anything die. Simply because they do not support it any longer doesn't mean it is dead or killed. Nor are any of the Internet Explorers killed or dead. Not used much anymore - yeah. But there are still software programs that require IE6.

But to answer your question - yes I do. As a software programmer I test all the way back to IE 3 and NN v2. I do this because hackers use the older versions of software to break in to websites. The older versions, unlike the current versions, allow you to see things that the newer versions do not allow you to see. Also, well written software (Javascript and HTML in this case) should be able to gracefully fail and not just crash. Further, some hackers start off with a current browser and then switch to an earlier one to try to crash a website. So you have to have and use those older browsers to see if the site will crash. So they are still useful even today.

It is true though that Microsoft has urged everyone to use a different browser than Internet Explorer. They named both Chrome and Firefox as alternatives to using Internet Explorer. Yet Microsoft still is developing updates and new versions of Internet Explorer.

Last, if I may, you should know that every version of Windows since Windows NT is just that - Windows NT. Windows XP was just Windows NT v5.x. Vista, 7.1, 8, 8.1, and so on are just later versions of Windows NT. So when you say Microsoft killed it off - you are also saying Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, etc.... were killed off also because the basic heart of Windows NT (ie: the underlying OS) was last twiked under 8.1 but the last major revision to the underlying OS was done with XP. So you are still running XP - just with some upgrades. Just like I'm still running NT - just with a lot of upgrades. You can verify this by Start->Control Panel->System->Advanced Tab->Environment Variables and look for the OS variable. It will say "Windows NT". Or you can open a command window (start->run->"cmd.exe"<CR>) and type "winmsd" into the command prompt. Even though it will say something like "Microsoft (c) XP" - if you open the "Software Environment" tree and click on the "Environment Variables" you will see the OS variable showing a value of "Windows NT". Because that really is what you are running. Plain old Windows NT just with a lot of upgrades. To think. This OS has been around almost as long as Linux but they are still finding bugs in it. My version of Windows NT is 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600.

[Midgardsormr]

The thread is getting clogged with a lot of posts that are not germane to its intent. I recommend a CL move the above discussion to a separate thread in the general forum so as to maintain a good signal-to-noise ratio in this one.

[markem]

I agree. Actually - why not just remove those posts about Microsoft and XP altogether. I didn't come here to argue about that. So for my posts - please just get rid of them. Thanks! :-)

[Striogi]

Back on topic: I was browsing around for a good beginner-level dungeon and wilderness map maker, but I see that CC3 is rather expensive and Dundjinni is giving a SERVICE UNAVAILABLE response.

sooo... Is there something that's maybe a little less robust than CC3 or can someone tell me what happened to Dundjinni? (I don't know if I want it, but I do want to look at it).

cheers.

[Roseweave]

there seems to be a frustrating lack of options here unfortunately. i'm trying to track down dungeonforge.

I've used CC3 before and while it's powerful it's interface is something out of the mid 90s that just kept adding more features. it's also way more geared towards outright cartography rather than building game maps/dungeons, despite the add-ons.